Portugal 0-1 Northern Ireland. Niall McGinn :O
Portugal 0-1 Northern Ireland. Niall McGinn :O
Christy Fagan - He scores big goals
Unbelievable, Germany 4-4 Sweden. Last kick of the game to equalise, and they were 4-0 down
Christy Fagan - He scores big goals
That was Trap's plan for Friday: go 6 down and stage a miraculous comeback. There just wasn't enough time left.
I'm pretty sure Brady said tonight that Austria had dropped points to Kazakhstan. What was he on about? They hammered them 4-0.
I think Brady said that the 6 goals conceded against Germany didnt matter (only matters head to head against them}........this is not true as if we finish level with Sweden on points...then it goes to goal difference from all group qualifying games.
RULE
The eight best runners-up will be determined by the following parameters in this order:
Highest number of points
Goal difference
Highest number of goals scored
Almost like dropping 4 points against Germany.
International football or football in general isn't about individuals, it's about doing your best for the club or country you are representing weather it be lsl, prem or international. If they don't feel that they can bring anything good to the cause then whats the point? Be man enough to admit it and if you don't feel that the manager is up to the task be man enough to admit that to. You won't get anywhere in football if you are carrying dead weight
Thats the rule for deciding which 8 runners up go through to the play offs (there's 9 groups and the top 8 go through to play offs. The 'worst' runner up doesn't even go to play offs). Within each group, its head to head, then goal difference. So Goal difference would only count if we were level on points with another team, and had split the games we played bettwen us 9eg we drew both games or both sides each won a game 2-0)
"We've seen you come, we'll see you go"
If qualifying is our ambition should we not wait till that's impossible before sacking the manager? Tends to be the norm in less hysterical countries.
Last time we were in these waters the FAI bowed to the press and general gobshitery and sacked/hounded out* Mick McCarthy after 2 games of a campaign.
That turned out to be a stroke of genius................................
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I used to know it all, Now I'm going to school.
Choice between taking €2/3,000,000 out of Domestic/Grassroots football to get rid of Trap (while maintaining Delaneys €360k salary + the pay of his board mates)
Or keeping trap for another 18 months...Its a no brainer.
Trap has been a lucky manager in general (Kerr alternatively was a better manager but got no luck i'd claim)-
I was pleased that Meyler, Coleman, Wilson, Brady and McCarthy were involved. Now just get McClean, Pearce and a few other in a bit more and give them this campaign to develop. They are involved now and should be going forward.
The likes of Keane, Dunne and O'Shea should maybe be weaned out (the first two wont be around for next qualifying campaign). While O'Dea isnt really good enough.
Genuinely amazed there are still people supporting Trap.
"We've seen you come, we'll see you go"
Ordinarily, that would fill me with some confidence. Can't help thinking, though, that for all intents and purposes our campaign could very well be over by the time we play Austria at home. And to make matters worse, nothing will have changed - the same players will be marginalised, there'll be no purpose to our play, and the same arguments will be used to justify the management.
Apparently we havent beaten a team ranked higher than us in the world in a competitive game since we beat Holland in 2001 (Ouch!!!!)
Its not that I support Trappatoni- but to sack him you will need to pay up all/most of his contract + hire a replacement. doesnt make sense to me considering the possibilities of him or an alternative qualifying.
Oh- and for all the talk about trappatoni being paid so much (€2million per year) - do people really think Harry Redknapp or Mick McCarthy are going to come for less? thats what most championship managers earn.
It makes lots of sense if you want to qualify for France Caolon. We will not qualify for brazil, I have no doubt in my mind about that (of course I am happy to be wrong) So I would rather the campaign was spent setting the team up for the euro's, rather than dropping some new manager in it the summer after next.
There is no emoticon for what I am feeling.
Yup- but there is a big argument that international managers cannot develop/nurture young talent in 20 days training and 6 matches a year - thats the job of club managers and its the international managers job to pick the best players available.
Ok- exposure to intl footbal lfor Wilson, Brady, McCarthy etc cannon be a bad thing- but if they arent good enough for club level (Joe Cuirreall and Terry Dixon etc) then early exposure isnt worth a salt.
I guess what i'm saying right now is that the financial repercussions of sacking Trap outweigh the positive football ones....unfortunately.