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    Armenia / Andorra

    Shay Given************** Aston Villa

    Kieran Westwood * * Sunderland AFC

    David Forde********** ** Millwall AFC

    John O'Shea******** ** Sunderland AFC

    Kevin Foley****** ** ** Wolves

    Stephen Kelly******** Fulham

    Stephen Ward* ** ** Wolves

    Richard Dunne*** ** Aston Villa

    Kevin Kilbane** ** * Derby

    Sean St. Ledger*** Leicester

    Darren O'Dea**** ** Leeds

    Damien Delaney * Ipswich Town

    Glen Whelan******* Stoke

    James McCarthy** Wigan

    Seamus Coleman* Everton

    Keith Andrews * ** Ipswich

    Keith Fahey******** Birmingham

    Andy Keogh******** Leeds

    Damien Duff******* Fulham

    Aiden McGeady* Spartak Moscow

    Stephen Hunt**** Wolves

    Liam Lawrence** Portsmouth

    Robbie Keane * * LA Galaxy

    Kevin Doyle******* Wolves

    Shane Long****** West Brom

    Simon Cox******* West Brom

    Jon Walters****** Stoke


    Good to see Walters in there. Best certainly deserved to an inclusion too. Hard to understand what Trap sees in Cox.

    I'm pretty sure Paddy Kenny has said he wants to be involved again. He should be there. Forde is only making up the numbers.

    There's a lot of wide men in that panel. Hopefully it means McCarthy and Fahey are being considered for central roles.

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    Am looking forward to another thread of your endless complaining about Trap & the players

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slavia View Post
    Am looking forward to another thread of your endless complaining about Trap & the players
    I'm going to hold fire until our cagey 2-1 victory over the Andorrans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oleguer presas i renom View Post
    Hard to understand what Trap sees in Cox.
    Giggle

    Cox has been impressive every time he has played for Ireland
    And Brian Kerr is in tears.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oleguer presas i renom View Post
    I'm going to hold fire until our cagey 2-1 victory over the Andorrans.


    Would gladly take a 2-1 win in Andorra. Apart from San Marino their are very little hammerings of these teams anymore (Italy in the Faroe's last month for example)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slavia View Post
    Would gladly take a 2-1 win in Andorra. Apart from San Marino their are very little hammerings of these teams anymore (Italy in the Faroe's last month for example)
    Bit of a cliche there, Slavia. There are plenty of easy games in international football. Kerr has done something that many managers of small nations have done in the past - introduce a club mentality to the setup. Sanchez did it to great effecrt with NI. No national side with that kind of preparation will ever get a hiding.

    Andorra don't fall into that category at all. A lot of their players play in the Catalan regional division which is about the same standard as LSL( or maybe lower)If we beat a LSL XI by 2 goals to one I'm sure there would still be plenty of raising their voices in support of Trap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oleguer presas i renom View Post
    Andorra don't fall into that category at all. A lot of their players play in the Catalan regional division which is about the same standard as LSL( or maybe lower)If we beat a LSL XI by 2 goals to one I'm sure there would still be plenty of raising their voices in support of Trap.


    And what standard would you put the Faore Islands league at? Andorra only lost 1-0 at home to Slovakia, and 2-0 at home to Russia, yet you don't think us winning there by a goal would be good enough?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slavia View Post
    And what standard would you put the Faore Islands league at? Andorra only lost 1-0 at home to Slovakia, and 2-0 at home to Russia, yet you don't think us winning there by a goal would be good enough?
    With respect Slavia, if you're suggesting the Faroes and Andorra are on a par, I can only think you don't follow international football too closely. The Faroes have professional management team, and players who play in Denmark,Norway and Iceland. There's also one youngfella at Newcastle. Andorra, on the other hand, have lost every competetive match they've ever played except 3 (as far as I know, although I stand to be corrected.)

    They're noř far from each other in world rankings, but we all know how meaningful they are.

    Also, I do think we'll beat them by more than a goal. My second post was a failed attempt at humour. I used the word "cagey". Russia's victory was a comprehensive as a 2-0 game can be. They were walking around the pitch. I didn't see the Slovakia game but I've had the misfortune of seeing most of Andorra's competitive games in the last two qualifying campaigns, and I can tell you getting a couple of corner kicks represents a moral victory for them. I watched the home game against them last year with a guy who's half-Scottish, half- Andorran who didn't even know when they had last scored. He didn't know how to celebrate so he just pissed himself laughing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oleguer presas i renom View Post
    With respect Slavia, if you're suggesting the Faroes and Andorra are on a par, I can only think you don't follow international football too closely. The Faroes have professional management team, and players who play in Denmark,Norway and Iceland. There's also one youngfella at Newcastle. Andorra, on the other hand, have lost every competetive match they've ever played except 3 (as far as I know, although I stand to be corrected.)
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    Ok, then Malta? Luxembourg? Leichtenstein? Take your pick, but my point still stands that apart from San Marino, none of the lowest ranked nations get hammered anymore. Which is why I said I'd gladly take a 2-1 win in Andorra

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    Trap reckons the russians got the game moved :/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slavia View Post
    Ok, then Malta? Luxembourg? Leichtenstein? Take your pick, but my point still stands that apart from San Marino, none of the lowest ranked nations get hammered anymore. Which is why I said I'd gladly take a 2-1 win in Andorra
    In fairness, I'd take 2-1 too. I never said otherwise. If we go about our business, though, they shouldn't come close to scoring a goal and we'll be a couple up by HT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kdjac View Post
    Trap reckons the russians got the game moved :/


    They did. They made official complaint to UEFA about the game being in Barca, and got the support of Slovakia. Was on the news over here a while back

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    What was the problem with the game being in Barcelona?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimdagym View Post
    What was the problem with the game being in Barcelona?


    All the other teams in our group had to play in the small stadium in Andorra, so they feel we will have the advantage of neutral venue with much bigger support

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slavia View Post
    All the other teams in our group had to play in the small stadium in Andorra, so they feel we will have the advantage of neutral venue with much bigger support
    Logistically, Andorra also poses more problems than Barcelona. We'll probably still be flying to Barcelona or Reus followed by a 3 hour bus journey.

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    XI to play Armenia

    Shay Given,

    Stephen Kelly, Sean St Ledger, Richard Dunne, John O'Shea,

    Aidan McGeady, Keith Andrews, Glenn Whelan, Damien Duff,

    Kevin Doyle, Simon Cox.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slavia View Post
    XI to play Armenia

    Shay Given,

    Stephen Kelly, Sean St Ledger, Richard Dunne, John O'Shea,

    Aidan McGeady, Keith Andrews, Glenn Whelan, Damien Duff,

    Kevin Doyle, Simon Cox.
    Simon Cox must have some compromising photos of Trap. Walters, Long, Best have all started this season very brightly. I would've played Coleman at RB (if fit) but Kelly is a good player, and arguably stronger defensively.

    If we lead at HT I think we'll get the 3 points. If we're level or behind, I don't see a change in approach.

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    Apparnetly in the press cnference Trap said he'd take a cautious approach tomorrow evening and the journos all laughed

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    disappointing that Long isn't given the chance. Looks like it will be hoof ball at the two strikers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dodge View Post
    Apparnetly in the press cnference Trap said he'd take a cautious approach tomorrow evening and the journos all laughed
    This is the problem with Trap. There's nothing wrong with being cautious per se. In fact, it's often the only option. The problem is we have been overly cautious throuought the campaign and as a result we're in the delicate position we find ourselves.

    That said, the way the group has panned out I do think we should be wary of the Armenians. I'd rather this was reflected in the mentality of the players, though, rather than the line-up. We shouldn't go gun-ho but a good passer of the ball in the middle would give us an outlet we sorely lack. Does anybody think Armenia haven't watched DVDs of the way we've played for 3 years now? They'll know exactly what to expect. They'll isolate McGeady and Duff. Doyle and Cox will struggle for service, and our best hope will come from set pieces.

    It's a long, long time since I looked forward to an Ireland match.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oleguer presas i renom View Post
    It's a long, long time since I looked forward to an Ireland match.


    I can't wait for this match tbh

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slavia View Post
    I can't wait for this match tbh
    I'll be sick with anxiety.

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    cox will drop back and help out midfield a bit more than long would, traps style is not everyones cup of tea but give me a 0-0 tomorrow plus the worst game of ball iv ever seen and ill leave the ground happy,lets hope that happens and the draw is kind to us for the play off
    With Bucka to lead us sure no one could beat us!

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    can see armenia wining tomorrow.went to see armenia and ireland u21 in tallaght the other year and armenia were class.played a barcelona style of play.that team is starting to come through and I can definitely see armenia wining.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saintmick View Post
    I can definitely see armenia wining.


    You should snap up the 5/1 for them to win so.


    Our team that won away to Armenia was:

    Given

    O'Shea - Dunne - Sledge - Kilbane

    McGeady - Whelan - Green - Lawrence

    Keane - Doyle


    Fahey & Keogh the subs that came on





    So only changes for tomorrow is Kelly for Kilbane, Andrews for Green, Duff for Lawrence, and Cox for Keane. The first 3 are all improvements IMO

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slavia View Post
    You should snap up the 5/1 for them to win so.


    Our team that won away to Armenia was:

    Given

    O'Shea - Dunne - Sledge - Kilbane

    McGeady - Whelan - Green - Lawrence

    Keane - Doyle


    Fahey & Keogh the subs that came on





    So only changes for tomorrow is Kelly for Kilbane, Andrews for Green, Duff for Lawrence, and Cox for Keane. The first 3 are all improvements IMO
    ye,its a good bet.I know we beat them away but they've gotten better and better as each game went on in the tournament.
    We are the red army

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saintmick View Post
    can see armenia wining tomorrow.went to see armenia and ireland u21 in tallaght the other year and armenia were class.played a barcelona style of play.that team is starting to come through and I can definitely see armenia wining.
    Likewise i've a funny feeling they're going to beat us... I hope i'm wrong!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slavia View Post
    You should snap up the 5/1 for them to win so.


    Our team that won away to Armenia was:

    Given

    O'Shea - Dunne - Sledge - Kilbane

    McGeady - Whelan - Green - Lawrence

    Keane - Doyle


    Fahey & Keogh the subs that came on





    So only changes for tomorrow is Kelly for Kilbane, Andrews for Green, Duff for Lawrence, and Cox for Keane. The first 3 are all improvements IMO
    Tactics remain the same, though. And Paul Green is probably the only player in world football who Keith Andrews could be said to be an improvement on.

    We could end up needing a Paris Mark II, i.e the players seize the initiative and play the way they can.

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    seriously the negativity surrounding squad choices for every game in this campaign is a pain in the ass, we've lost one game. constant crapping on about fahey not being selected, traps the manager, what hes doing seems to be working. leave it be!

    COME ON YOU BOYS IN GREEN!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by tom the gom View Post
    seriously the negativity surrounding squad choices for every game in this campaign is a pain in the ass, we've lost one game. constant crapping on about fahey not being selected, traps the manager, what hes doing seems to be working. leave it be!

    COME ON YOU BOYS IN GREEN!!!

    Don't think anybody mentioned Fahey in relation to the Armenia game.

    Are Trap's methods working? The thousands of empty seats in Lansdowne don't suggest so.

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